BRANDED 9:13 Tue Apr 26
global warming
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When the fuck is this going to start cos I for one cant wait.
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Infidel
5:54 Wed Apr 27
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'Population growth is a constant'
No it isn't.
It is influenced heavily by government policy. When benefits and tax subsidies for having children are increased people have bigger families. When benefits and tax subsidies are cut they have smaller families.
Very small changes in average family sizes have an enormous impact on population growth. At a basic level if the average number of children per woman falls from 2.1 to 1.9 the population will switch from growing over time to declining over time.
The failure of people like you to understand that simple, basic principle is what derails the whole debate about population.
For most of our lifetimes the government of the UK has set all the fiscal dials to maximum - paying every mother to have more and more children. Only recently, with the cap on benefits after the second child, has something been done to address that.
But if the government went further and eliminated all benefits and tax subsidies altogether it would cause a bigger drop in average family sizes that would lead to a smaller UK population in decades to come (these things work quite slowly).
As people like David Attenborough have noted, there is hardly a problem facing the UK today that would not be either completely solved or significantly reduced by us having a smaller population.
And no, we don't need young workers to pay for the pensions of older people. We have over 4m unemployed adults in the UK today. We need to put them to work first before we load up the country with millions of extra workers we don't need.
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ohgodno
5:50 Wed Apr 27
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Infidel 12:12 Wed Apr 27
Plants produce extra greenery in response to higher CO2. There's no corresponding increase in other nutrients so there's a quick spurt of growth until the first nutrient bottle-neck is hit. Plants are thick. They'll keep producing pointless leaves at great expense. The overall health and value of the plant (if it's a crop) will start to decline or other nutrients will need to be supplied making the plant cost more. They are like fat blokes at an all you can eat buffet. They'll keep cramming CO2 in even though they don't need it. Natural selection will sort that out if you've got 10-20 thousand years.
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Hammer and Pickle
5:30 Wed Apr 27
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I was referring to the old trick of using population as a means to avoid political responsibility for hicc and its effects.
But population growth is a constant and the way we produce energy is a political variable so there's no sliding off that way.
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Infidel
5:14 Wed Apr 27
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I think the point of my post is that it's not alright.
Maybe you should read it again.
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Hammer and Pickle
4:48 Wed Apr 27
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Humans breeding like locusts turning good arable land into dust bowls.
That's alright then.
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Hammer and Pickle
4:45 Wed Apr 27
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Ahh the population card so early in the thread? Spoilsport.
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Council Scum
4:25 Wed Apr 27
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Aids sorts them out Infidel so chill
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Infidel
4:22 Wed Apr 27
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Pickle
It's called the Sahel, and unlike you I have actually visited it several times.
The issue in the Sahel has absolutely nothing to do with climate change and everything to do with the massive explosion in population these countries have experienced in the last 25 years.
Their populations are growing at between 2% and 4% per annum. To put that in perspective a 2% population growth doubles the population every 35 years. At 4% it doubles every 20 years.
When you visit countries like Burkina Faso, Mali, Chad and Niger you can see how unsustainable this population growth is. Population centres are clinging to the strips of land along rivers like the Volta - but in many paces anything more than 10kms away from the river bank is arid, semi desert.
As the population has boomed the pressure on the tiny amount of arable land has become completely untenable. Humans, not the climate, have turned parts of the Sahel into a dustbowl.
You would know all this if you armed yourself with some facts. But then it would hardly be in character for you to possess actual knowledge before spouting rubbish on here.
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BubblesCyprus
4:13 Wed Apr 27
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Been in Cyprus over 25 years now and even the locals are saying Summers are getting hotter each year and I agree with them !
That is all from me on the subject as never really understood the subject matter
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Hammer and Pickle
3:44 Wed Apr 27
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Well then you will know all about the climate change pressures the people of the strip of countries running west from Sudan right across to Mauritania. It is these people, together with those of North Africa and the Middle East who are considered undesirable economic migrants when agriculture can no longer sustain them as the desert has taken their crops and livestock.
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Infidel
3:09 Wed Apr 27
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Yes, Pickle, I most certainly did.
I have a hard copy of the banker's presentation and have greatly enjoyed showing it to all and sundry.
And unlike you I am knowledgeable about development issues in sub-Saharan Africa. I lived in the Congo for 2 years and in Kenya for four. I have run a large business in Africa with operations in over 30 countries. I have visited more than 20 countries in Africa personally and spend a not inconsiderable amount of my free time these days speaking at conferences on development issues.
You presume to be a subject matter expert so do please share with us your credentials, which presumably amount to more than reading The Guardian and dropping a few zlotys into the Oxfam collecting tin.
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Hammer and Pickle
2:01 Wed Apr 27
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He also "attended a conference" the other day where the presenter, who was a "banker", couldn't operate the basics of macroeconomics.
It's all a big SCAM.
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ManorParkHammer
12:23 Wed Apr 27
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Global warming is bollocks.
I spoke to a farmer in the Congo and he didn't mention it.
I have just come back from Malawi where I was speaking at a conference on development people may say that this does not make me a climate change expert but those people work for the BBC.
I went swimming in the Maldives as well and the water was colder than usual.
On this evidence alone we can call bollocks.
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Infidel
12:12 Wed Apr 27
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the news headlines a few days ago - ie before the outpouring of faux distress over the Hillsborough victims / Prince / BHS - was that scientists have discovered that there has been a huge growth in the amount of foliage in the world.
Apparently higher carbon dioxide levels have promoted rapid growth of leaves all over the world and we are now greener - in the literal - sense than we have been for many centuries.
This is of course because carbon dioxide is plant food, as every gardener knows. It's why they pump it into their greenhouses.
It was a pleasure to hear the BBC's resident alarmist, Roger Harrabin, trying to find some negatives to report on this appalling piece of good news.
The best he could come up with was that the warmer temperatures caused by higher carbon emissions might make the soil drier and throw some dust into the atmosphere.
Arf!
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i-Ron
12:04 Wed Apr 27
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Renewable energy? pfft... Load of bollox. It's cheaper though, but I couldn't really give a fuck about that.I'd rather pay more money for the non renewable energy. I'm smart.
Just like that Hadron Collider thread years ago, when WHO knocks their heads together....a deadly combination of black cab drivers, warehouse workers, plumbers and office workers...we've got this kind of shit wrapped up.... we outsmarted particle physicists and engineers back then...and we've outsmarted science again...it's just a century long bung taking global global science hoax.
Well that's this thread done, if you need me I'll be on the OS or friendly thread moaning about ticket prices. Really pisses me off having to pay money out.
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Nurse Ratched
12:04 Wed Apr 27
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Evasive response, don't you think?
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Hammer and Pickle
12:03 Wed Apr 27
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Nurse Ratched 11:36 Wed Apr 27
I asked her.
And do you know what she said?
She said "Pickle, have you been arguing with that Nurse Ratched again?"
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Infidel
11:39 Wed Apr 27
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I went to the Maldives on holiday three years running, the last one being in 2014.
There is not the slightest sign of sea levels rising. The locals knew nothing about it when I asked them. It is completely bogus.
This is the country where the President, a corrupt robber baron called Mohamed Nasheed, staged a photo op for the world's media by holding a cabinet meeting under water for the cameras in 2009.
The Maldives claims it is the victim of the industrialised world warming up the climate and wants $100bn from us as compensation.
The lovely Mr. Nasheed is now in prison by the way but luckily an equally corrupt mafia type has replaced him and is ready to receive the money as soon as we can wire it over.
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Nurse Ratched
11:36 Wed Apr 27
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Pickle.
You have never made your wife come.
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JustAFatKevinDavies
11:35 Wed Apr 27
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its a massive issue, but tbh I don't give a sht, just cant bring myself to care
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